Comments on Aaron Cues: Open Mouths, Eyes, and Minds: AG Bell Convention 2...

To Barb and Melissa,Please respect my wishes and m...

2008-07-07T15:30:00.000-05:00

To Barb and Melissa,

Please respect my wishes and move your discussion elsewhere, as I don't want my blog to be a forum for debate on the merits of AVT versus ASL. It's gone a bit too far now and off the point of my blog.

Barb,You seem to easily ignore the fact that there...

2008-07-07T15:12:00.000-05:00

Barb,

You seem to easily ignore the fact that there is research that supports exactly my viewpoint. Here is a quote from the most significant major study of children implanted at young ages:

From: Ann Geers, Factors Affecting the Development of Speech, Language, and Literacy in Children With Early Cochlear Implantation

"The primary rehabilitative factor associated with

WG: It is hard to move on when we keep on getting ...

2008-07-07T14:29:00.000-05:00

WG: It is hard to move on when we keep on getting messages from AG Bell that they patronize ASL. Remmy the Super Bowl how they label Deafies using sign language exclusively (like there is a such thing!) is isolated from society or how myths are being supported that the fact how ASL hinder language development? (see Melissa's comments). Just wake up and smell the coffee, history is not just in the

One more thing, Melissa...thank you once again for...

2008-07-07T14:12:00.000-05:00

One more thing, Melissa...thank you once again for confirming my belief when you stated:

A.G. Bell is about hearing and spoken language, but it has always included all options, traditional oral, oral schools, AVT and cueing.

ALL OPTIONS? You can't simply say all options since it did not include ASL.

Hello Melissa! Of course, you as the only AVT pers...

2008-07-07T14:08:00.000-05:00

Hello Melissa! Of course, you as the only AVT person who always love to present your point of view inthe blogosphere that ASL is a crutch to Deaf children. I find it interesting that there are research documents from Graney, Cummins, Mayberry, etc. showing how ASL gives support to spoken language are contrasting to your statement. What works for your chidren doesn't mean all will benefit from it.

White Ghost: This T shirt is independent of DBC an...

2008-07-07T14:00:00.000-05:00

White Ghost: This T shirt is independent of DBC and it is based on an individual's choice. Besides, the vlog is not officially from DBC site. You need to realize that in all organizations/movements, there will always be individuals who chose to express they want to that does not necessarily reflect any of the organization/movement mission.

Two points:Auditory-Verbal International began as ...

2008-07-06T16:58:00.000-05:00

Two points:

Auditory-Verbal International began as a subgroup of A.G. Bell, then became an independent organization, then rejoined A.G. Bell a couple of years ago. A-V is a part of Bell. It does not define it. A.G. Bell is about hearing and spoken language, but it has always included all options, traditional oral, oral schools, AVT and cueing. AVI merged with A.G. Bell. See http://

After engaging in several different conversations ...

2008-07-06T11:40:00.000-05:00

After engaging in several different conversations regarding deaf history, I left the AG Bell convention wondering why people are bringing the past into the present. We are a whole new generation. I know this does not eliminate the extent of situations in the past.
The world is a completely different place today than it was in the early 1900's. Our world will be different 50 years from now. <

Barb,I agree with you on all points about AGBell's...

2008-07-05T11:09:00.000-05:00

Barb,

I agree with you on all points about AGBell's stance on ASL or any visual cues. I have met people who had encounters with this organization and they have told me that the emphasis was that ASL would hinder spoken language development and they have felt pressured to stop using ASL. Some of these people have cancelled their memberships with AGBell because of the audist attitudes

Barb,Put aside of the AG Bell's history. Move on.I...

2008-07-05T09:59:00.000-05:00

Barb,

Put aside of the AG Bell's history. Move on.

I would like for you to take a hard look at:

http://www.xanga.com/Frank_Sandra/664464538/dbc-conference-slide-show.html

Go look at 1:32 picture, at the near end.

I have never considered my hearing children and husband this kind of message. The message will drive many hearing people and medias away

Anonymous-May I ask why you used anonymous and not...

2008-07-04T22:39:00.000-05:00

Anonymous-

May I ask why you used anonymous and not your real name? Are you ashamed of who you are or what AGB has created you to become today? I am not ashamed to state my name to the public. Why should I and why should you too?

I do not agree with you that I am carrying emotional baggage but you can say that I am emotional person. If you ask my friends or people who know me

It is all about the interpretation about the princ...

2008-07-04T21:30:00.000-05:00

It is all about the interpretation about the principles of AVT. It is encouraging parents to steer away from the use of ASL with their Deaef children not necessarily during therapy time but 24/7.

I have already been involved with several people who are advocates of AVT that they don't actually use ASL outside therapy time since they think that it will "hinder their language development."

Re: Grammatically incorrect. Nothing is new. Pe...

2008-07-04T18:25:00.000-05:00

Re: Grammatically incorrect. Nothing is new. People WILL make these comments in order to make themselves feel good or above from the rest. If they wanted to focus on the grammar, rather than to focus on the big picture -- fine with me but it is very common among different groups (deaf and hearing alike) to behave like that.

It irks me to no end, though.

R-

Penny: careful ... your emotional baggage is show...

2008-07-04T11:16:00.000-05:00

Penny: careful ... your emotional baggage is showing. Not only is your response waaaayyy off topic, your characterization of Alexander Graham Bell as "evil" is ridiculous.

I'm dismayed by this demonization of AG Bell by the deaf community. Y'all should know that there is much more to AG Bell's life than his role in the eugenics movement of the 1880s. Eugenics was a very popular

Aaron- I have a question for you. You said "a reas...

2008-07-04T01:05:00.000-05:00

Aaron- I have a question for you. You said "a reason why I'm a member of AG Bell is because rather than try and fight the system from the outside, I can create change from within. Something I learned from my years of experience as a leftist radical." If they will listen to you then that is great...But would you still be very proud to carry AGB's name with you everywhere while knowing this man who

The previous anonymous comment (July 3 at 1:00 pm)...

2008-07-03T23:55:00.000-05:00

The previous anonymous comment (July 3 at 1:00 pm) seems obviously to be fake. Deaf people do not write that way, especially university professors.

Barb, AVT is simply about using a set of principle...

2008-07-03T18:18:00.000-05:00

Barb,

AVT is simply about using a set of principles designed to help achieve *maximum* use of hearing for learning for a child wearing a hearing aid or cochlear implant. This is about a particular philosophy in its own merit which is why it's called "AVT" in the first place and not "AVT + ASL" Otherwise it would ceased to be called "AVT."

Again, need to stop focusing on

"[AVT principles] guide and coach parents to help ...

2008-07-03T17:34:00.000-05:00

"[AVT principles] guide and coach parents to help their child use hearing as the primary sensory modality in developing spoken language without the use of sign language or emphasis on lipreading."

The problem with this sentence is that it's a complex sentence with a bunch of dependent clauses (I think that's the correct grammatical term?). Let's take it apart and put it together.
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thank you for responding and giving me a chance to...

2008-07-03T14:11:00.000-05:00

thank you for responding and giving me a chance to clarify about the actual slogan that was posted on the trailer..

I really wish you best of luck to change the system in AG Bell and hope that they will listen to you. But history tells me that they had not unfortunatley. I would love to hear more about your years of experience as a leftist radical. What is ironic is that AVT, that is

I went to DBC's website and watched their vlog and...

2008-07-03T13:00:00.000-05:00

I went to DBC's website and watched their vlog and Barb DiGi is correct. The banner said THIS (not THE) as you said.

I teach at an university and I have seen many of my hearing students' paper go by me semester by semester. There are many papers that has many grammar errors, even myself as a deaf person can see that. It's sad that deaf people are being critized for English errors

I was pleased to meet you that evening, Aaron! Wh...

2008-07-03T11:59:00.000-05:00

I was pleased to meet you that evening, Aaron! While we might not see eye-to-eye on everything, I am glad we conversed. I would like to see continued dialogue between DBC and AG Bell members.

Til then,

DE

Barb - That girl stated that it was within the pol...

2008-07-03T11:53:00.000-05:00

Barb -

That girl stated that it was within the policies of AG Bell itself and I didn't recall AVT being brought up within the context of the conversation. AVT is an entirely different subject which I do take issue with in regards to visual language. But that's another discussion for another time.

It was not my criticism, but my observations of others who had made the same kind

This girl from California was right that AG Bell w...

2008-07-03T11:33:00.000-05:00

This girl from California was right that AG Bell who just merged with AVT supported that lipreading and signing were not allowed for those who were in the program. I am not sure where have you been, it was actually stated in the AVT policy that is now officially a part of AG Bell philosophy:

AVT Principles:

"Guide and coach parents to help their child use hearing as the primary

Interesting post! I enjoyed reading it. Tahnk you ...

2008-07-03T11:26:00.000-05:00

Interesting post! I enjoyed reading it. Tahnk you for sharing. When is the next AG Bell Convention?

You have convinced me and my family to go to the n...

2008-07-03T10:30:00.000-05:00

You have convinced me and my family to go to the next AG Bell convention in Orlando!